Venting My Minako Frustration (crossposted from Translations)

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Venting My Minako Frustration (crossposted from Translations)

(At risk of being obnoxious, I'm crossposting this comment from the Translations and Summaries forum because it's enough of a long, analytical critique that it seems worth posting as meta.)

I have always been uncomfortable with the element of misogynistic cliché in Sensei's writing of Minako, i.e. the pedestaling of Minako reinforces the idea that "good" women are saints untainted by the messy reality of a human psyche, which is a standard (virtually?) none of us can attain in real life and puts us in the position of constantly being told we're bad (and deserve everything we get) because we're not perfect. This, of course, then justifies the subjection of women in general because women are bad and our badness needs to be kept in check. (It doesn't help that the only other major woman in the prequels is Haruie, whose womanhood is highly atypical and includes a lot of male privilege.)</Didactic Feminism 101>

Minako in this volume is consistent with the main Mirage series and bothers me for the same reason. I wrote a rant about it, but then it occurred to me I might be misinterpreting, so I want to focus on questions instead—and then rant, sorry.

(First a side question: I had had the idea that Nobunaga destroyed Minako's soul, but in the prequel, this doesn't happen. Was that ever implied in the main series, or did I make it up? I might have just interpolated it because Naoe put Kagetora's soul into Minako's body to save it from being destroyed; hence, I assumed her soul got destroyed instead?)

Rina and others have observed that Minako strongly echoes the Kannon Bodhisattva, whom I duly looked up on Wikipedia. And, boy, this is really true: not only her character but a number of her plotlines could be drawn right out of the mythology of this figure/group of figures. For example, she's pushed to marry a nasty man; she instantly forgives and takes on the punishment (karma/death) of a man who kills her.

So here's my core question:

Is Minako literally supposed to be the Kannon Bodhisattva (i.e. the goddess of compassion, Guanyin) or is this just a very good metaphor for this nice girl's behavior?

I had always assumed the latter. Or specifically, when Naoe and Kagetora in the main series talk about Minako as a bodhisattva, I thought they might mean it literally, but in the sense of a bodhisattva who is an enlightened human being who chooses to defer Nirvana to help others, not as an actual goddess incarnate. When they go on about her as the Virgin Mary, I naturally assumed this was a metaphor—but now I'm wondering! Wikipedia says some incorporate the Virgin Mary as an avatar of the goddess Guanyin. If we follow this story, could Kagetora and Naoe actually believe Minako might be Mary, at least to the degree that Yuzuru is Kagekatsu?

If this is the case, that Minako is actually a divine figure, this has a lot of implications. In no particular order:

* The only person in the world who can actually handle the massive psychological needs and insecurities of Kagetora enough to be his girlfriend is the archetype of perfectly selfless, divine compassion herself!! This makes me laugh in the way Mirage does at it's best. It is both absurd and perfectly in character for Kagetora. And if it's true, it ought to terrify him because it speaks to the depth of his insecurities more powerfully than anything that ever goes down with Naoe. It signifies that he needs perfection in others. And as someone who has struggled with not being able to be perfect for others himself, he ought to deeply understand what an unfair and unhealthy burden this is to place on anyone.

Now, there are echoes of this excessive need everywhere in Mirage, most notably in Kagetora's unreasonably high expectations of Naoe across the years. And Kagetora is certainly guilty over Minako's being hurt by their shenanigans. But I don't see real grappling with the ultimate goddesshood of Minako. The sense I get is more like: "She was such a sweet person and we f***ed her over. We suck," just as one might reasonably think about hurting any nice person who clearly didn't deserve it.

So if Minako is literally meant to be this archetypal figure, I think the implications of this for Kagetora are not clearly or adequately explored (unless something is really lost in translation/summary).

* The implications may be somewhat better explored with Naoe. Naoe is in the position of the criminal who is not only forgiven but, in some sense, has his karmic burden taken over by the goddess. In this case, by letting herself be killed (not resenting it), she saves Kagetora for Naoe, allows Naoe to continue his own journey, and gives him a sense of forgiveness to sustain him. But her goodness also sharpens his guilt, which makes for an interesting psychological reading of the further adventures of a person who is given unearned forgiveness in this way.

This tracks pretty well, but if we (and Naoe) are meant to literally think of her in this way, I would have liked it to be a little more explicit and more discussed because…

* Why did this goddess come to Naoe and Kagetora at this particular time like this? There's a reason they're hanging around with Miroku: they've been assigned to help prevent his premature waking. But why would the goddess Guanyin appear in their midst like this? Coincidence (which makes a weak storyline)? Naoe and Kagetora are so amazingly important to the world that they need a goddess to show up and save them so they can continue their important things? This would fit in with the main plot well, but there are two problems: 1) it's never implied that this is why she's there; 2) it seems a bit out of character for the epitome of compassion to orient her action around something as utilitarian as saving people so they can serve the greater good. Or is it because Naoe and Kagetora themselves are so much the epitome of personal suffering that she is drawn to them? This explanation doesn't sit well with me because it's aggrandizing. I love Kagetora and Naoe—but I don't think they're more human than the rest of us. And to present them as so particularly in need of this kind of divine intervention (more than many another person) feels… like hero worship.

And then there's character building…

* If Minako is an incarnation/avatar of this figure, the type of being she is most nearly like is Yuzuru, i.e. Minako is to Yuzuru as Guanyin is to Miroku. If we follow this idea, Minako, like Yuzuru, would see herself as an ordinary person and have no idea her soul is this greater entity. That tracks with what we see. But with Yuzuru it is explicit and important to the plot that his soul has these multiple layers. With Minako, I'm left guessing if this is even the case. Unless something is REALLY lost in translation/summary, there is minimally a lack of development of what this means for Minako as an entity.

This lack of development creates (what appears) inconsistency in behavior. When Miroku intrudes into Yuzuru, it's very clear. Yuzuru behaves like a different person, and even when those two identities merge, it's fairly clear how: Yuzuru's love of Takaya and feelings of rejection over his going off to be Kagetora combine with Miroku's childish acting out to produce various kinds of possessive bad behavior, for example.

If we follow this sort of logic, "Minako" is the girl we first meet who's pluckily doing her best to make her adoptive family proud and sort of having a crush on Kasahara but then falling head over heels for Kase, and so on. And Guanyin is the figure of superhuman compassion who can so readily forgive being brutally raped and impregnated and killed. But there is no bridge between them. There is no discourse that shows the one merging into the other. We are just left with Minako behaving in way that's superhuman (good girls are perfect), and this is a character-building problem because…

* Guanyin and related figures—at least as Wikipedia has reviewed them for me—are not psychologically realistic entities. That's understandable. These are old stories coming out of a non-psychologically realistic mythos. (Though I do suspect that "a good woman is perfect" figures here as well. That burden on us is not new.) Howsoever, we are left with stories of a figure who does nothing but show invariable compassion toward others with no concern for herself—and with no narrative showing how a human being might become that way. She just is that way from birth. She's a goddess. She's an archetype.

This is, indeed, how Minako is presented in the endgame. And it doesn't sit well over the veneer of a human character. Any young woman—however nice and mature—would be powerfully angered (and terrified) by being raped and impregnated by a man she liked and trusted. Her first response would not be "things will get better for you." And her initial response to then being killed would probably not be "Oh, it's okay. I guess your epic love is more important than my life." On its surface, that demeans and dehumanizes her character (in the grand tradition of using woman's virtue to negate woman's value by having woman selflessly agree with her own devaluation).

Now, people are capable of amazing things, especially in extremis. And I actually buy Minako's final forgiveness more readily than I buy her rape non-trauma. But there needs to be some explanation besides "she's a very nice girl." The explanation could be one of two things:

1) She's superhuman—which, as I've argued above, is not adequately clarified or explored or…

2) She is genuinely enlightened as a human being, which is something she might have achieved through the work of her life as Minako (though it's a bit unlikely by her early twenties) or as a result of the work of past lives. This is not explored at all. The past lives would be harder to explore narratively than the psychological journey of Minako qua Minako, but if this is, in fact, the explanation for her inexplicable behavior, the narrative has a responsibility to figure out how to do it. That's not beyond the cosmology of Mirage to figure out.

Female characters are often asked to be perfect. They emerge as one-dimensional figures like Dea in The Man Who Laughs, Lucie Manette in A Tale of Two Cities ("God bless her for her sweet compassion"), Maria in Gungrave, Disney's Snow White. And it's easy to say a woman is this way because she's a saint or a bodhisattva, but in my experience, it's very rare to see a female character actually constructed with the weight of personality and experience that REALLY enables that kind of identity. After some mental searching, I can think of three times I've seen it well depicted: Zhaan in Farscape, Sid in The Fourth Messenger (who is reenacting the life of Gautama), and Rem in the Trigun manga (and I'll give a partial to Delenn in Babylon 5*). Minako ain't these women. She is clearly in the category of Lucie Manette. And the best thing I can say about that is her storyline might have generated some very interesting development if she had been considered worth developing.

* I'm giving Delenn a partial not because she's badly written but because she's not really written to be at "saint" level, more at high good and mature level. I do think Zhaan ends up near sainthood. A related figure might be Lise in The Brothers Karamazov. She's not a saint; she's very flawed, but she's a good, human depiction of a fool for Christ, and evidence that this type of depth can be achieved with quite young characters too.

labingi
Further Ramblings on Why This Matters to Me

I want to explain why this critique of the writing of Minako matters to me, why it is not just an inability to separate myself from certain strains of feminist training I had in grad school or something. (Warning: some personal stuff follows…)

I am a woman. I am also a human being. And being a human being is messy. I identify a lot with Kagetora—and to a lesser extent Naoe—because I also have a messed-up psyche. I also struggle with bad messages I received in childhood, deficits in coping skills that my parents (who were great parents) were not fully able to provide, addictive patterns of behavior, lack of perspective, and bad mistakes these difficulties have led me to make. I also carry the guilt for those mistakes.

To date, the mistake that has caused the worst ramifications involves driving away someone who was once a close friend. It was like this:

I grew up with profound feelings of lack of self-worth. (This, too, is much related to being female in a world that devalues women.) Lifelong story short, this inner struggle came to a crisis in 2010. Over the next three years or so, I reconceptualized my life: I changed behavior patterns, reexamined myself, and found a core self-worth. Unfortunately, during that intense struggle (late 2010-early 2013), I took out much of my pain on this friend in the form of infrequent but hurtful email outbursts. The gist of these outbursts was that I didn't think she was being a good enough friend.

Well, this killed her feelings of friendship for me. After almost two years of amicable but obviously distant "friendship," I tried to make things right by owning up (not for the first time) to venting my psychological problems on her and expressing a wish to move toward being true friends again.

Her response, in 2014, was to tell me she could never have any contact with me again. (This was three days after having amicable coffee with me.) Since then, I have tried a handful of times to reach out, and I can report that she means it. For the rest of our lives, unless something radically changes, she will regard so much as my saying "hi" in the street as a disaster.

To sum up, because I am a psychological injured human being (which is to say I am a human being), I sent some mean emails over the course of a couple years. As a result, one of the people I loved and trusted most abruptly and completely abandoned me for life.

(NB: It seems clear that the virulence of her response is partly due to conditioning she, too, has received as a woman: that she tried too hard to be the "perfect friend," and it broke her.)

Kagetora would get what this is like. And Kagetora is given the privilege, as a character, of being utterly fucked up by this kind of treatment and having our sympathy. Let's be clear: Kagetora reflects female experience in many ways, but he's allowed to reflect it in a fully realized, psychologically realistic way because he's a man. But a good woman—a good woman just doesn't put herself in this kind of situation. A good woman doesn't complain about being raped or killed, and she certainly doesn't ever lash out with unkind words because of pain from her past. If she does, she's a bad woman. There can be no forgiveness, no sympathy, no second chances. She's out with the trash.* (Most people I know—my own friends—have told me my former friend was perfectly justified in treating me this way, which is actually the thing that hurts most of all.)

This is the standard women have to live up to. Men also get treated the way I was, and men also hear that they deserved everything they got. But when men hear it, it's an isolated statement about a situation. When women hear it, it's the dominant social standard we're all expected to uphold all our lives in order to be acceptable as people. There is no mercy.

I do love Naoe and Kagetora—in that very long tradition of women having to identify with male characters because there are no female characters to identify with. I'm fully willing to ultimately forgive Naoe for what he did to Minako. I'm willing to forgive Kagetora for his role in "driving him to it." But I have no patience with the woman in the story not also being allowed to be a flawed human being. I've had that narrative deployed against me too much. As Kagetora well knows, it is extremely psychologically toxic.

* I'm not saying I think Sensei thinks this is true. I'm sure she doesn't. I'm saying the writing of Minako reinforces this cultural construct.

labingi
Minako Part 3: What Could Have Been Done Differently

Let me end by putting my money where my mouth is and speculating on how this plotline could have better served Minako. I don't want to take away her identity as kind, mature, and highly compassionate, but to humanize it, some things could have been done.

1. Make her a POV character. From the summaries, I have the sense she never is, though I could be wrong? Certainly, she doesn't seem to be in the parts where her behavior is most inexplicable in human terms: her responses to being raped and killed. If we're going to explain those responses, we need to really, deeply, internally explain them.

2. I think her isolating herself for quite a while after being raped makes perfect sense. It's about the only thing to do when you're stuck in external danger in a house with the man who raped you as your only protector. And I really do like the idea that she wants to let Kagetora possess her child. That is good storytelling thematically and makes sense as a way to make the best out of a bad situation after lots of ruminating. Therefore, she would have to come out of her room and have that conversation with Naoe, because she needs his powers to execute that plan. (I also like her switching to "Naoe-san.")

But I would have the dynamics of the conversation feel very different. Let me just remind us all: he brutally raped her not long before that conversation. However intellectually capable she is of understanding why he did it and even sympathizing with the epic Naoetora love, if she is functioning like a typical human being, all of that would be largely blotted out by visceral revulsion. On a very basic physical level, she would be terrified of him. She would be holding back a strong fight or flight response. She might well be physically nauseated by having to be near him. And alongside the fear, she would probably be really viscerally angry too. Everything in her body would be telling her he's an enemy. And that conversation should reflect that. It should be strained to the point of being almost impossible, and it should be as brief and minimal as she can conceivably make it.

This would also more or less apply to their having to flee together: it must be done, they must work together, and external threats will dull the rape trauma somewhat. But the sense of a badly broken personal relationship should remain. For example, one might well imagine her not exchanging one word or having one piece of interaction (eye contact, etc.) that isn't necessary. (I don't know how much the narration does this based on the summary, but I can only say it doesn't seem to be a narrative priority.)

3. As to her final forgiveness…

Here's my favorite option: just don't. Let her die like most people would die in those circumstances with no chance to respond coherently at all, maybe a final impression of "Oh my God, what the…?" or something. Let our heroes deal with that. Let them pretend in their heads that she's all forgiveness without any shred of textual evidence this is true. Or let them face the fact it ended emotionally badly. That would be better storytelling for them because it would create a more severe and realistic psychological hurt to work through. And it would be better storytelling for her because it would be human.

But if she has to forgive and wish them well, it would need to be pulled off something like it's pulled off in Ai no Kusabi (SPOILERS FOLLOW)—and I do think Ai no Kusabi is successful at selling a profoundly abused character being willing to die with no ill will alongside his abuser, but it takes narrative work. For one thing, it takes Riki's POV as the abused individual. It also involves Iason having directly sacrificed his life for Riki, as well as a degree of guilt tripping by a third party. In a word, there's reasoning built around it. I'd want to see the reasoning: not just that Kagetora deserves to live because we all love him, but the reasoning from the perspective of Minako's own life. 

asphodel
On misogynistic cliché

I love reading your analytical critiques, and while I can't comment specifically on Minako because I probably won't come to her story for a while, I would like to respond to your point about Sensei's use of misogynistic cliché: it's not just about Minako, and I struggle with it too.

I cringed, for instance, while translating Naoe and Okumura's scene in the cafeteria with a gaggle of young woman standing by and gossiping about their cool new secretary. (A scene from my own life: My mother--"Women are the worst gossipers." Me--"No they're not. These stereotypes are harmful, stop spreading them.") There's also just-a-bit-homophobic Asaoka Maiko, who falls for a man she barely knows and spends more time agonizing over him than her brother lying at death's door in the hospital. And how about bubbly cheerleader!Saori obsessing over Yuzuru?

It's disappointing and painful to realize how dated these parts will read in a few years' (I do hope) time. But it can also be an indication of how far we've come. Ten years ago I might have said that the cardboard cut-out Bechdel test-failing female characters in Mirage bothered me, but I could not have told you why. I could not have elucidated the harm caused by putting women on pedestals. There is no getting around the fact that these are profound flaws in Sensei's creative work, and especially harmful and hurtful to her majority female audience.

But every woman is fighting her own battle to navigate her way through this man-ruled world, Sensei included. Rape in Japan is still a mostly-unprosecuted crime, and rape laws do not mention consent. 30 - 35% of Japanese women report being sexually harassed at work. The pay gap between genders is even worse in Japan than the US at 27%. Women who marry and have children are still expected to become housewives, and those who return to work are widely harassed.

Maybe one day those dated stereotypes won't be so painful to read anymore because we've moved so far past it that it's become an antediluvian curiosity instead. In the meantime I have hope.

labingi
Thanks for the larger context

Thanks for your thoughtful reply and the stats and context. A while ago on these forums, we were having a conversation about noncon conventions in BL and whether or not it's fair to criticize Naoe for his constant molestation of Takaya given that it's an almost invariable trope in the literature. Your comments on the lingering misogyny in Japanese culture incline me toward yes, it's valid to critique Naoe's conduct, while at the same time recognizing that a) it's in character and b) it wasn't just invented by Kuwabara-sensei, but is part of a literary expectation. (Banana Fish has a special place in my heart for breaking that expectation.)

As to misogyny in her writing overall, I think it's incredibly hard to avoid reflecting cultural biases. I'm certain she never meant to diminish women in any way, but it's there, and I struggle with this in my own writing. I am not proud of my almost Bechtel-passless writing in The Hour before Morning and the way that both my main female characters are obssessed with the men in their lives to the point that this obsession pretty much destroys their lives. (I wrote that book between about the ages of 20 and 35, and had a certain moment of horrified realization about what I was doing, which led to some damage control in the form of calling out their behavior and introducing philosophical discussion of whether it's a legit choice to devote your life totally to someone else, but yeah....) Also, I think the movie version ended up with its only Bechtel pass on the cutting room floor. And then there's my partial MS of what was supposed to be my grand feminist novel about life in a matriarchy that has a lot of misandry. And over the years it frustrated me how despite my best efforts to write strong, in-control women, none of them came to the fore as important, powerful characters, and I finally realized this was because none of them were agents in the plot. All the important plot actions were performed by men. But I like my men in that story and their plot, so I finally gave up and just decided this was never going to be my grand feminist novel, but basically a novel all about men who happen to live (sometimes) in a matriarchy. So yeah.... It's really, really hard to stay on top of these things.

labingi
Interesting Articles

The articles you linked to are interesting. The one about Ms. Ito's case and rape in Japan really does give me a sense of being in the same culture as Mirage. (Is that depressing given that Mirage is 20-ish years old?) It does sound like there's some good push-back going on though.

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Minako & Bodhisattva

"(First a side question: I had had the idea that Nobunaga destroyed Minako's soul, but in the prequel, this doesn't happen. Was that ever implied in the main series, or did I make it up? I might have just interpolated it because Naoe put Kagetora's soul into Minako's body to save it from being destroyed; hence, I assumed her soul got destroyed instead?)"

- In that scene Nobunaga was disturbed by Nagahide and Haruie's attacks, so after all he couldn't use hakonha on anyone. In most of cases when a kanshousha performs kanshou on someone, the original soul of the host body moves to afterlife immediately or soon after that (however, in Kaikou prequels Naoe's first kanshou body's original soul became an onryou and tried to get his body back from Naoe). Minako's soul wasn't destroyed, Kagetora saw it disappearing into light. Her soul wasn't found from the site after Kagetora got her body, so I guess we can assume that the same thing happened to her as to those who got exorcised (like Ujiteru). In main story they use verb "成仏する, joubutsu suru" (= to achieve enlightenment; to move to afterlife peacefully) when they talk about Minako's fate.  

I love the idea that Minako is literally Kannon Bodhisattva. This would fit very well to the story since we have already Miroku. Personally I have also thought that Sensei uses Kannon only as a metaphor to describe Minako's kind personality. Your Bodhisattva speculation inspired me quite lot, so I dug some information about Minako's background and the features that are strongly related to her. I found many interesting things! 

 

Minako and dragon lady (龍女)

I would like to start with Minako's role as a dragon lady. According to Shouwa vol. 8 dragon ladies are priestess who were worshiping a dragon god. The legend tells the following story: in Sengoku era Mt. Tenmoku area was Takeda Shingen's prosperity. His son Katsuyori faced his end on this valley when he was fighting against the Odas. Takeda's female samurais committed also seppuku together with Katsuyori, and these women became a dragon god. Minako's biological mother's side has dragon lady's blood in their veins. Thanks to this Minako has some spiritual skills and sometimes she even takes a form of dragon. Historically Katsuyori and some his ladies committed a seppuku there after they were caught by Oda clan. Interesting that Katsuyori's legal wife's name was Ryuushouin (龍勝院, "龍"' means "a dragon"), but according to Wikipedia she passed away more than decade before Katsuyori's death. Dragon has a role both in Shintoism and Buddhism. In Buddhism it is a protector of Buddhas. Her origin comes probably from Japanese folklore story named Urashima Tarou. In that story, there is a dragon palace and also a dragon princess, Otohime. However, the most interesting part is found from Lotus Sutra that mention about dragon princess (I recommend to check : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longn%C3%BC ), her story and how she is considered to be an acolyte of Kannon.  

 

Minako and higanbana (彼岸花/曼珠沙華)

After Minako gave to Kagetora a red scarf that's color reminds her of red spider lilies (higanbana in Japanese), she tells to following thing: "They are thought to be unlucky flowers since they're often found at the graveyards, but I have always loved these flowers. They're gorgeous, like fireworks. And they build a bridge between the Netherworld and our world. I believe that the place where people go after the death must be very beautiful. So beautiful that no one wants to come back to our living world anymore. Dead people will walk across that bridge where red spider lilies are growing". I tried to find connections between red spider lilies and Kannon, but nothing. Instead of that, these flowers are connected to Monju bosatsu (he's called "Manjushri" in English). In Japan red spider lilies represent death. Not only in sad way, it has also gives hope to meet deceased persons (ancestors, beloved ones...) in after life.

 

Minako and Gakkou Bodhisattva (月光菩薩)

I re-read some Aspholdels translations and I found something interesting from volume 5. In chapter 3 Naoe goes to 'see' Minako at Toudai-ji temple in Nara. To him Gakkou bosatsu, Moonlight Bodhisattva, is Minako. This Bodhisattva is said to heal your heart with the gentle love that is like the moonlight (Japanese source: http://www.butuzou-world.com/butuzoumnomiryoku/dictionary/bosastu/nikkou/ ). Sounds quite similar to Minako, right? Chap. 3 says that Minako saved Naoe. Interesting that the volume where the rape scene is, it's name is "Nehandzuki buruusu" and "nehandzuki" means "moonlight nirvana".

  

Minako and Kannon Bodhisattva (観音菩薩)

And finally, Kannon. In vol. 34 Kagetora is seeing a nightmare before waking up in Ise shrine. I skipped this scene from the summary, because it wasn't necessary for the plot in Universe arc, but I would like bring it out now as we're talking about Minako. In Kagetora's dream, he finds himself in the middle of bloody combat in Sengoku era. Civilians are escaping, turning into skeletons little by little and eventually they take a form of onryous. Kagetora recognizes that actually all those people are souls he has exorcised earlier. He decides to follow them and arrives to a crimson red ocean. From the horizon, Amida Buddha and his attendants are flying to him. Kagetora wonders if he can finally stop performing kanshou and move to the netherworld. However, he gets horrified after seeing that the attendants of Amida are actually those souls he has exorcised. The souls attack to him. Kagetora tries to run away, but then, suddenly, a beautiful Kannon appears in front of him... It's Minako herself. Minako has many hands (possibly Senju Kannon/thousands-armed Kannon?), holding for example a skull, a water jug and a sword. Minako grabs Kagetora's chin and tells that this land shall be the Pure Land and Amida it's lord. Only death souls can inhabit the Pure Land. Kagetora has killed (exorcised) souls, so Amida will punish him now. Then Minako forces Kagetora to shallow the sword. Minako looks at him satisfying expression on her face as Kagetora cries in pain since he feels how the sword cuts his blood veins inside of his throat. He looks up to the dark sky and begging help he cries Naoe's name. 

In order to analyze this dream I found out what do these items that Kannon is holding symbolize: 

- Skull = Kannon can control evil gods as she wishes 

- Sword =  cutting off human's kleshas (hatred, greed and all other negative things that cause suffering)

- Water jug = The water in it can purify human's disgrace or impurity

Kannon is a close attendant of Amida Buddha and her task is to lead souls to Amida's Pure Land. In MoB Kagetora created Shadow Shikoku that was also called 'Pure Land' since it was like a sanctuary for onryous to exist. The text was talking about an ocean so the place Kagetora was in dream was possibly Shikoku. In the previous volume (33) the great spiritual barrier of Shikoku was broken by Shimozuma Raiyuu who is a monk on Pure Land sect and a follower of Amida. After the barrier collapsed, Kagetora lost his consciousness and saw this dream. Since Red Whales arc Kagetora decided by himself to not use exorcism anymore since he saw onryous being equal to living humans, carrying some regrets of exorcising them earlier. Even this was dream was a nightmare and even Minako was talking about Amida's punishment, somehow I can see it that she was purifying Kagetora. I would like to hear the others see this dream! Any opinions? 

Let's continue with next thing! Sunset in western sky is connected to Minako for several times. In Shouwa at least following scenes: 1. Naoe and Minako watching sunset together & Naoe sees her as a Bodhisattva, 2. Naoe watching sunset in the end of vol. 10, and 3. one week after performing kanshou on Minako's body, Kagetora watches red sunset from the window and thinks how it looks like Amida's Pure Land, wondering if Minako already went there by crossing the bridge of red spider lilies. Kiyomizu-dera's website (information in English: http://www.kiyomizudera.or.jp/en/visit/nissokan/ ) tells how Amida's paradise is told to located in west and that the sunset represents what kind of place it is. Kiyomizu-dera's main deity is this thousand-armed Kannon and on their website I found an interesting mention that supports labingi's speculation: Kannon can take a form of common people. She can be someone who we know, teaching us how to live correctly (source: http://www.kiyomizudera.or.jp/en/pray/ ). 

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Hmm... So there is a connection between dragon lady and Kannon. 

labingi
Thanks for your research!

Rina, I confess I have not read your comment yet. I have been steamrolled by real life, but when I get a chance I'm looking forward to reading this in detail and responding. Thank you for doing all this digging. Myself, I am currently reading a book about Kuukai and hope to have some commentary to offer (not about Minako) when I'm finished.

labingi
Thank you for all this research!

I finally got a chance to read this. Thank you for all this research and explanation. Kagetora's dream is very interesting, very in keeping with his Red Whales arc and his feelings about Minako. (I also like that it shows a hostile side we never see anywhere else with Minako, and I'm kind of glad Kagtora's unconscious can take on board the idea that he's earned some hostility from her, even if she didn't really feel that way and he doesn't consciously think she did.)

You bring out a lot of interesting connections between Minako and various deities and traditions. It definitely seems like there's some intent to connect her with these stories. Assuming that the connection is not just metaphorical, I'm still stuck for how to interpret it in terms of what sort of being she is, how this squares with the more human Minako we meet. I'll have to sit with that for a while--and maybe wait until either the text is fully translated or I have enough Japanese to plug through it so that I can get a fuller sense of how it plays out. Very interesting. Thank you.

Rina
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Kuukai

I was also surprised by some interesting connections I found. But still many unsolved questions about Minako and the plot.

Kuukai is a quite important person especially in the Red Whales arc. I'm very interested to read if you find something that is related to MoB!  

labingi
Kuukai Thoughts

I have now posted some Mirage religious thoughts with reference to Kuukai here and here.

Rina
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Kuukai

Very interesting! I'll comment more later! :)

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